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Post by Christopher on Feb 20, 2006 20:35:14 GMT -5
Christopher, I thank you for that, I always will, don't doubt it, but posting that here tonight was low, and tottally crappy to Kyle, and myself. I think one thing ( you know to spoil another plot point) that upset me was that you or JoJo told me that that comment was in reference to Drew, not me. So while you're lie wasn't a whopper, maybe you can see that lies hurt as well. Taylor, I deleted my last post as soon as I sent it because I decided that I stand by what I said in my first post and am not here to go back & forth. But the first paragraph of my deleted post is what I really wanted to drive home - some people didn't take to your revelations kindly, but I do think I rolled with it and was a fairly decent support once the truth was out. So if you wanna comdemn me, that's cool. But I also know that I was there for you when the proverbial building collapsed. As I said, I think you're a great 17 year old. I'm not looking to argue with you.
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Taylor
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Post by Taylor on Feb 20, 2006 21:09:55 GMT -5
Like I said, thank you for being there, but I have to say that also stand by what I said tonight, wether it's popular or not.
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Post by Host Kyle on Feb 21, 2006 0:35:20 GMT -5
I have thanked Kyle for making me "look good" in the episodes and he says he is not doing that....but i feel that the thought bubbles, Kyle, aren't objective. I have felt it strongly during the two episodes. I look like my thoughts are telling me right vs wrong....but someone like Chris looks often like he is interested only in hurting people or causing drama. The thing is, I think the stories are better because of the thought bubbles! BUT, then our author, who felt like there was an elite clique, or perhaps really likes that phrase "bitch four" (which 3 out of the 4 dont even recall) gets to put his emotions, opinions, or personal judgements into those thought bubbles. Does this make sense? It has been my only beef Kyle. You know I care about you very much, so please read this knowing that we have always been able to disagree but still remain friendly. Makes perfectly good sense. But know this...my judgment for these thought bubbles come from what I deduce from what is going on, confessionals, and things said. Chris and I have aired this out before that something said and done at the heat of the moment is not an accurate reflection of what the person was thinking or feeling the majority of the time. It was a rash action, and I understand that. However, JoJo, when I painted you as struggling with right vs wrong, you and Beth had numerous conversations about not approving of things going on within your alliance. You had numerous discussions of feeling you should do something, but you didn't want to go against your alliance. That's all well and good, admirable that you will stick with your alliance through thick and thin, but also contreversial in that you let things you did not approve of go on. I can only read this as an implication that you were struggling between right vs. wrong. As far as making Christopher look like he wants to hurt people. Well...judgment on my part, yes. But when I see these actions over and over again, and read all the bashing chats about other players....this person is a bitch/cunt, that person is a retard, this person sucks at the game, let's use and abuse them before they leave. I can only get a feeling that this has been the goal. And this is not all on Chris. We've all had our moments dogging someone else. I'm just looking at the repitition. As far as the "Bitch Four" is concerned. I did not make that up. If I had a nickel for everytime Bitch was used in a group chat from the infamous foresome, I would not be IT'ing at and insurance company right now. Just a few refreshers straight from journals: Jenne: we are the bitch crew Beth: we are the FUN crew Jenne: Jenne: hey wait, did i miss something. we are an alliance? Chris: well Chris: no Jenne: i didnt know that *A* word had been spoken Jenne: Chris: we are just friendly Chris: LOL Chris: we talk strategy Jenne: we are soooo NOT "the friendship" Chris: we are buddies Chris: NO Jenne: "the bitches" Chris: we can be the new soverign 4 Beth (6:31:38 PM): i love us Chris (6:36:23 PM): me too Chris (6:36:26 PM): adult survivor is fun Beth (6:36:51 PM): i love the bitch alliance Beth: lmfao Jenne: whats funny, is the bitch 4 are in his ideal f7 Jenne: so it might not be a bad idea Jenne: to let the sucker work out his own lil schemes Jenne: then snap his neck later on Jenne: after he does all the work for us Beth: YAY@ Beth: I'm good with that Jenne: bastards adn bitches gots to go Beth: and let peeps know stuff Beth: hell yeah .. we be the bitches alliance Beth: I still ain't in your top 8! Beth: dammit Whether it was "crew" or "alliance" or "us" it all means the same thing and it was said so many times that I can only take that they were proudly self-deemed the Bitches.....so the Bitch Four was just an easy way to refer to this alliance which would be a prominant force in the game. So any questions of where my thought bubbles came from, this is it.
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Post by Host Karen on Feb 21, 2006 5:54:46 GMT -5
Wow, I check the board after a few hours and find all of this. When I first started reading Kyle's post about someone mentioning a slant in the episodes, I was a bit confused because there was not a post about that prior to his message. First of all, I feel like if you are going to state an opinion on these boards for all to read and comment on, at least have the balls enough to leave it there and not go back and delete it when people do start commenting on it. I assume the comment was made by Robby since Kyle mentioned that name (my former co-host Rob??). And if that is who it was, my first question to him is how can you even comment on such a thing when you didn't even play in the game? Rob, you know I love you, but seriously.
I was wondering just how long it would take before someone mentioned here that they felt the episodes were slanted. You are all entitled to your own opinions and I don't fault you for any of them. However, I will have you all know that I am personally very involved with these episodes. I did not turn them over 100% to Kyle. I personally glean information from the players' journals and submit that information for Kyle to work with. And I read the version of the episodes that you see posted. I promise you if there was anything that I felt was way off base in them, I would be the first one to say something as well as address it with Kyle personally. Now, I didn't play in this game and I saw firsthand everything that happened. So are you going to accuse me of slanting the episodes? I assure you that whether Kyle or I or Joe Schmo was writing these episodes, you would not be getting much of a different outcome (except writing quality because I'm terrible at it). The content would not change much at all.
As a player in these online Survivor games as well as being a host of these online Survivor games, I see both sides of what is going on here. As a player, you're having a bunch of different conversations with people and many mixed signals of what is really going in in your head may be portrayed in the conversation depending on how you are "using" that person in your gameplay. You may say one thing to one person and then something completely different to another person. The problem comes in when you don't write confessionals that clearly indicate what is going on in your head. By failing to do this, you leave yourself open to the interpretation of the host/episode writer's discretion. We work with what you give us. An example of this would be what JoJo mentioned about making her look good in the episodes. Honestly, there was no other way to make her look because she did not go around bad-mouthing people and creating dramatic conversation like so many did. Some of you wrote wonderful confessionals and to those of you, I thank you. But many of you did not. And JoJo, you know you are one of these who did not write much until closer to the end of your time in the game. I know you yourself have admitted that to me on several occasions.
And yes, there were many comments made about the "bitch 4" and the like. Just because you may have been a part of the four and didn't say it yourself doesn't mean that you were not described by one or more of your members in that way. You become part of that bitch 4 by association. I am glad Kyle posted some of the conversation there so you could see that yes, it was indeed part of many long conversations that frankly I got tired of reading about...LOL.
I am opening up a poll to see how many of you would prefer to continue reading these episodes, how many of you would like the journals opened up, and how many of you just want the results and nothing else. Because frankly if you'd prefer to not read something that you feel is slanted (which it is not on purpose for reasons I mentioned above), then I'd rather not waste my time or Kyle's in continuing them.
-Karen
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Beth
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Post by Beth on Feb 21, 2006 8:36:43 GMT -5
wow .. I had promised myself I was gonna sit tight on my hands and not say anything ... but I'm embarrassed as heck by myself at seeing those chats. I had totally forgotten them .. prolly because I wanted to. I truly apologize ~ to Karen for having to put up with me in those chats ~ and to the cast for having been like that. I'd like to say that wasn't really me ... but its quite clear I said that garbage.
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Jamie
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Post by Jamie on Feb 21, 2006 9:44:14 GMT -5
No matter who writes episodes they're going to be slanted. CBS has their editing technique to make players appear worse or better than they are. What's to stop an online writer from doing the same? (Not at all saying that Kyle is). Whether its a player, a Host or a third party writer, someone is going to slant the episodes for the players they liked and against the players they didn't. Its part of the storyline.
That being said I'd have to say that Kyle's episodes are some of the least slanted episodes I've read from all the games I've played or written for.
And you know what else I've come to really dislike, not just about this game but in general? Is the amount of disdain towards anyone under the age of 20 from older Survivors. Like they're unworthy of playing the game? Or their age dictates their behavior? There's always exceptions to the rules! This game has proven that, and I'm sick and tired of people immediately taking a dislike to a teenager because they're merely a teenager.
I've met or played with teenagers who have showed more maturity than many people in this cast, and I'd play with them again without hesitation.
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JoJo
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Post by JoJo on Feb 21, 2006 10:19:34 GMT -5
As I typed earlier, and Kyle as we discussed last night, I think your episodes are well written and I enjoy reading them. I am so relieved that we spoke last night because I feel completely secure that you know where I'm coming from in my post. Kyle asked us for some open communication and I do feel that he listened to what people had to say. I voted for the episodes to continue.
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Post by Missie on Feb 21, 2006 10:37:55 GMT -5
my thoughts are that noone, 17 or 23 should be called a retard. sorry.
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Post by Missie on Feb 21, 2006 10:43:50 GMT -5
its so funny that ONE of my tight not-ever-f**k over allies was a "teenybopper" and I really wanted to save Ryan too. Dude. Really some of you were vile and I find it hard to believe its just a character. at least one of you. ugh.
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Post by Host Kyle on Feb 21, 2006 10:50:14 GMT -5
Yes, I very much appreciated my conversation with JoJo last night, and I do see all sides to this. I do, however, stand by how I've portrayed characters in what I've seen in game play and I don't think I've even escaped some bad lighting.
I mean, geez, I've been whining like a titty baby the entire, freakin' game! Even I'm getting sick of it!
As Chris has said, it is a story, and we are characters, and it's exciting to read. It's just as exciting to write. I will have to admit that there are some instances in this game as I'm writing where I have thought to myself, "Wow, I don't have to manipulate someone to look a certain way, they did it themselves," and proudly have I thought this might I add. This I realize is unacceptable, and I will be mindful of this from here on out.
Please understand there is not a single person I hate in this game. There is not a single person I want to be hurt by these episodes. There is some repair work to be done in maybe one person that I don't really think is going to happen, but such is life. Anything written in these episodes has been written from a character's point of view.
If I say there is a dark side, it is from my own perspective because naturally, anyone against me is the dark side in my eyes as I'm sure I'm the dark side in someone else's. It just so happens that I am the only person so far to refer to a side as evil in my confessionals.
Pick a side. Decide for yourself. Without giving anything away, I assure you the "sides" change continually in the upcoming episodes and coming up I won't be having my proudest moments.
Like JoJo has said, I am open. If you want some input to your thoughts or how you'd like to be portrayed in certain events coming up...tell me!
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Post by Christopher on Feb 21, 2006 11:31:21 GMT -5
Whether the episodes continue or not, I do hope the hosts keep in mind that the cast needs a chance to check their journals for personal information before they are opened.
I know that I specifically posted chats about my personal life (which have nothing to do with the game or characters therein) that I posted for "your eyes only" so that you would see everything that I was discussing with people like Jo or Jenne. But certainly some things that nobody else has business seeing, as I gave you glimpses into my private life.
As for everything else - it's always great to see all of the opinions.
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Post by Host Kyle on Feb 21, 2006 11:43:09 GMT -5
Yes, there is MUCH personal information in these chats that will not be included in these episodes. Should journals be opened I'm sure Karen would agree with me that all of you are given ample time to sift through those for your own privacy.
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Post by Christopher on Feb 21, 2006 11:49:07 GMT -5
Thank Kyle!
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Isaac
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Post by Isaac on Feb 21, 2006 14:38:36 GMT -5
I've honestly had enough of this, so I'm voting to end the episodes.
I'm tired of Kyle being attacked for the amount of work he is putting ino these. Kyle, I suggest you stop wasting your precious life on writing these episodes unless it actually means something to you. If you are gaining something from the experience, then continue, but I beg you, if it's just a waste of your time, then please stop.
These episodes are only hurting people and lighting new fires. I know we would all desire to continue to see what happens. We all want to see ourselves in this game, but honestly, it is not worth it.
Let us remove personal stuff, then unluck the journals and review the winners. Let's put this game to a rest once and for all.
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Post by Christopher on Feb 21, 2006 14:54:27 GMT -5
I've honestly had enough of this, so I'm voting to end the episodes. I'm tired of Kyle being attacked for the amount of work he is putting ino these. Kyle, I suggest you stop wasting your precious life on writing these episodes unless it actually means something to you. If you are gaining something from the experience, then continue, but I beg you, if it's just a waste of your time, then please stop. Isaac...I adore you --- but what on earth are you talking about? One of our fans (and a former co-host) spoke his mind. I don't think anyone should feel "attacked". It is a public forum. Kyle used the forum as well, disagreed and that seemingly was that. While I haven't voted yet one way or the other about the eps, I think you are blowing things out of proportion. Kyle hasn't been repeatedly attacked by anyone. Some opinions have been shared. One of which seemed to upset Kyle, the rest of which did not. In fact, Kyle personally IMed me to offer thanks for my post...so I'm not sure who all you think is attacking him. Let's not blow this up any bigger than it needs to be.
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